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some time ago, Carol, our speech therapist friend, left us a couple of comments, I let down, to which I have not responded until now because I have been busy with other things, but now let's see if we can discuss some points of these two comments from Carol. Careful, are comments coming from a stutterer something curious, that said, get to the point.

Hi, I read your comments by chance and as a speech therapist I found very unfair. It does not seem reasonable without receiving speech therapy treatment, basing our training judge in the first year of their degree. A doctor is not judged by anatomy or physiology that has been studied in the first race, but by practical experience and expertise along the entire race and especially in recent cursos.Os reported that in 2 º thoroughly study each disease, and 3 ° we focus in his speech, not to mention the practice, not all we do in the same places, so people will be more prepared than others. As in all races, from theory to practice there is a long way and I say as a professional, that the more you learn is when you start working, researching, reading and experimenting with yourself each technique. I have an experience of 10 years as a speech therapist and I found many cases of stuttering in both children and adults. The treatments are completely different, but everyone does their part developing well. Can not be so negative with something that is not for me participar.Un conoce.Gracias greeting.


Hello again, I am pleased that at least you have had in mind my opinion. I would like to discuss one of your questions, said something like, "You have been commanded to do weird stuff like blowing a Sailing ...?" I do not know what type of professional you've gone, but the first in a speech of any kind is to explain the objectives that will work and how they are going to try to achieve. I think it is necessary to explain how is done every year and especially what it does, it can often seem silly to blow out a candle, but can be very useful to control breathing and the breath, which helps a lot in the production of voice and rhythm of speech . I'm not going to drop a roll, but for comparison, a physical therapist can recommend that you clean the glass and if it tells you is to work shoulder joint appears to be laughing at you, Right? You as a patient, you demand that you explain why you do every year and take more efecto.Sólo also wanted to comment on this question, I had called the atención.Casualmente, this week will begin to treat an adult with stuttering. We comment that there is this blog, it helps to share opiniones.Un regards, Carol.

Incidentally, I forgot, they are studying to Van Riper (among others) in the diploma in speech therapy!

Above, left the two comments from Carol, for so, readers of this blog, are more clear, we are talking about, "oskey? But still. So if you have let's get

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> Hi, I read your comments as a speech therapist by chance and I found very unfair.

From your perspectives, it may seem unfair, but from our perspectives, or rather, from my perspectives, it is fair to say what one believes in a reasoned way. Or otherwise, would not it be unfair not to say what you think?. Or we go is, if it is only fair that all people to express themselves freely, wrong, would not, right?.

In short, you may like or dislike certain opinions, but from there, to raise the "dislike" the ethical category, and is, to say, "It is unfair", there is a big, big gap.

> does not seem reasonable without receiving speech therapy treatment, basing our training judge in the first year of their degree.

people do not know exactly who reads this forum if it has received speech therapy treatment, whether that speak for myself (I invite readers to participate ;-)).

When I was in 3 rd GBS (I think it would be 8 years approx.) Every other day I went with my mother to Peace Hospital. I was with a group of adults. The exercises can remember, were breathing, to say individual words, after some talk between us, in short, little, or nothing.

Then in 2000 I think to a speech therapist for a year and a half I think. During this time, we began to read everything he saw through the Internet to buy books from Amazon.com stuttering, participate in forums stuttering (ttm-l). In the end, we began to do the tasks I vent the wastage my speech therapist and he read the books and that I invented. I got better little by little, until you stop going after a year and a half. And certainly, it takes much longer to go to a speech therapist, and you feel as if you're not going, it looks like you'll fall and you will enter the well of sadness again. But it was not the case ;-).

With all this, I mean, yes I have received speech therapy treatment.

> I inform you that on 2 nd study each disease in depth, and 3 ° we focus in his speech, not to mention the practices,

Looking subjects Speech of Universidad Complutense de Madrid (Complutense certainly Cumplutum comes from so called Alcala de Henares in Roman times ;-)) I see that there is only one course on stuttering, which is 4 credits. I find it very difficult to study in these 4 credits all over the Stuttering (diagnosis, nature, different treatments, practices ,...).

In subjects Speech at the University of Barcelona , even the word "stuttering" on any subject.

> that the more you learn is when you start working, researching, reading and experiment with yourself each technique.

Yes, I agree. The more you learn is when they start working. I say that as an analyst / programmer, but of course, you also know your limitations, because if I say to check the security of a system, it is best that the company hire a hacker ethic (even without race information).

> The treatments are completely different, but everyone does their part developing well.

Ahis Ahis ... .. uhm ... uhm ... is the phrase typical question is said to no treatment, methods or techniques and thus does not evolve. Although your previous sentence "... to work, to investigate, to read ..." I see the issues and evolve. I mention this, because I am very susceptible to these phrases ;-) "the method fails, it's you who fails to apply it not good."

While it is true, there is the stutterer has a lot of responsibility in improving their speech. Moreover, it is who has the power to improve or not.

> can not be so negative with something you do not know

No I know if I will know much or little of the problem of stuttering, but I think enough to be reasonably happy that I stuttering condition in my daily life.

Also, I know it sufficient to produce a number of professionals are interested in talking to me and comment that would have to learn things from me.

> I think it is necessary to explain how to do each exercise and especially what it does, it can often seem silly to blow out a candle

Certainly, that is ;-) fundamental

> Coincidentally, this week will begin to treat an adult with stuttering. We comment that there is this blog, it helps to share opinions.

Thanks for having recommended this blog. Hope it helps.

> BTW, I forgot, they are studying to Van Riper (among others) in the diploma in speech therapy!

"Since when? that three speech therapists who see Alcalá de Henares, none knew Van Riper. What

are the others?

Well, and I think this is over. Greetings Carol.

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Opinion few days ago at the entrance IV encounter left me a comment a speech therapist. I'm still thinking about that comment.
As I consider very interesting exchange of ideas with the therapists, I would like to share that comment to put it in an entry in this blog to see what you opine.
Do you think that speech therapists are well trained to treat stuttering to leave the university?
Do you think that when they already have extensive experience working with more knowledge and is even better trained to treat stuttering?
How much you have gained?
What result you had?
What kind of therapy you have received by speech therapists to whom did you go?
What strange things do you have echo (eg, blowing out a candle, grab a button tied to a string and wear it between your lips and pull dientesy)?
Do you have that type of therapy that were going to receive at startup?


For a book, I think I have a few tips on choosing a speech therapist (speech therapist in Spain). This and for another entry.

I leave Carol's comment as it is called (a greeting from here).

Hi, I read your comments by chance and as a speech therapist seemed to me quite unfair. It does not seem reasonable without receiving speech therapy treatment, basing our training judge in the first year of their degree. A doctor is not judged by anatomy or physiology that has been studied in the first race, but by practical experience and expertise along the entire race and especially in recent cursos.Os inform you that on 2 nd-depth study each disease, and 3 ° we focus in his speech, not to mention the practice, not all we do in the same places, so people will be more prepared than others . As in all races, from theory to practice there is a long way and I say as a professional, that the more you learn is when you start working, researching, reading and experimenting with yourself each technique. I have an experience of 10 years as a speech therapist and I found many cases of stuttering in both children and adults. The treatments are completely different, but everyone does their part developing well. No can be so negative with something that is not for me participar.Un conoce.Gracias greeting.

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Desensitization Radio (II)

Already after a few days and how the interview went, step, which I feared that would happen. The nerves and pressure of time was not as talkative than he wanted to be and transmit everything I wanted to convey, but of course, when you say that you a very long time in the answers, the microphone in front of your mouth (it was the login or visual stimulus struck me and hence my stuttering), and try to sort the ideas, then ... the end ... what happens happens .. that one is not clear. But hey, I am aware that these assumptions, given to all interviewees and so is the radio .... What I wanted to convey ideas?

Indeed, the interview was on Radio Nacional of Spain, Spain Direct program.

- 5% of the population ever stuttered, and now stutters 1%. Thus, there is a 80% spontaneous recovery usually in childhood.

- The child age ratio is 2 to 1 girl children who stutter. In adulthood, the ratio varies to 4 1. That is, in 4 men who stutter, stuttering is a woman.

- structural and functional differences between the brains of stutterers and non stutterers.

- that the nerves do not cause stuttering, but that catalyze.

- Therapies reinforcement of fluency and modification

- Stuttering in the Speech Therapy curriculum is so void. Just a couple of topics or subject as much.

- Lack of one of the greats of speech therapy, Charles Van Riper, by the community of speech therapists.

And things I had targeted. He had a sheet on both sides.

Is seen that in this type of interview, you have to focus on a message and not try to argue the answer that but, since if you stretch out.

The interview was conducted in Eduvoz . And taking advantage of this blog, possibly to read the journalist and the director of the center, I read that your answers have fallen well within the Foundation members that do not fit very much what they believe. What I think? would have to sit and talk. That brings me to the following reflection. " If the media does not make us talk you fucking case for us than the stuttering and what we know about her, and just ask us how to live with the stuttering, how when we will be in speech therapy discordacia community? . One thing is certain, before the interview we talked the director and I, of course, teach the book of Van Riper (yes, I know, my book, my book .. lol), we talked and talked, and finally a gesture that I liked very much worthy of imitation by many other professionals, he said something like .. "go .. seems I have to learn many things from you." From here, I'm your disposal Mary.

A if that, I hope I have conveyed in this interview at least, they may stutter (with some nervousness and pressure of time ...) and nothing happens, both for those who stutter to the listener. That may be stuttering, and reasonably happy. This is what ultimately concerns me most. And, one has a responsibility to convey a message when it is leading to thousands of listeners. Did

positive?. I have done one thing about 7 years ago. NEVER would. Speaking live on radio. "Another positive thing? Standing in front of a bus, blocked in the middle of the radio, and out of a block more or less smoothly and consciously ... for everything else ... ;-) Mastercard. 2min: 29seg (although I say the word working as usual ... and it's a bug!, You have to go more slowly, deliberately and smoothly .. in short .. I have a lot to improve as see.

More positive? the conversation I had with the driver who took me to Madrid Alcalá.

More positive? receive phone calls and sms from friends, telling you they are proud of you, you're not alone on the road ... for everything else ... Mastercard.

Well, I leave the interview (thanks to Joseph who was very skillful in getting)

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Radio II

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Radio notice some wet fingers, after speaking with the journalist who interviewed me tomorrow to mark the International Day of Stuttering.

The interview will be, as I understood, as a group. With speech therapists in a hospital or specialist and myself. Them to talk about stuttering, origin, causes, treatments, ... and I to talk about how I have lived with stuttering, as I have been conditioned. In short, the usual. I do not know, at least asked for comment on the therapies and say, "that therapy is a shit .....". But, as we are not experts, we can only comment on how the suffering ...;-).

Finally, it is what it is. But we can do something to say a little? YES! , I think so. see. I'll make a little guide that I asked, and should answer.


Interviewer: "How have you been in your life suffering from the stuttering."
Felix: "In general terms, I went well, I can not complain much, however, stuttering has conditioned me a lot in my social relacciones. I wanted to participate more of them, but the stuttering stopped me. And it of course, you spoke as little as possible to show their stuttering less and less chance of possible rejection or social group.
But 7 years ago I received by mail the book that changed my life. The Treatment of Stuttering by Van Riper. With this book, I started to see another way of looking at stuttering, "fluent stuttering" to dissect the stuttering, desensitization, anti-stuttering reactions, secondary behaviors, timing behavior ... and I started to follow more or less orthodox. And to the guy to change the therapy. Following on from then, I was stuttering conditioning less and less, and in fact, but would not be here, speaking to thousands of radio listeners. "

Interviewer:" What treatment recibistes? "
Felix:" I was in treatment One year and a half with a speech, but at the same time, I was reading the book of Van Riper, performing the tasks proposed in the book. Doing therapy every day. They told me greatly improved, almost one told me he did not think was going to speak as he did. On the other hand, it is a pity that this therapy is not studied in the diploma speech, and that we continue today with the same old therapies. "

(If we can talk more, then talk about the Hunters Group , phone calls ,...)

Interviewer: "How have you been affected?".
Felix: "With regard to working life, if that affects anything. There is a certain threshold, where the stuttering does not matter if you fit the profile you are looking for the company. Whereupon, in the first interview, I was not able to finish any sentence, which (I think), I called. Then in the following, and as I was doing interviews, I was more relaxed, and my level supogno stuttering, do not pass that threshold, and was hired as normal. But many stutterers who can not lower the threshold, and are very difficult to enter the labor market, they being very valid. "


Well, I think esan are the questions. I could go more, but between both specialist and speech therapist I'll be like ...." your street who has no fucking idea and only suffer stuttering and they are the ones who know about ...". Anyway ... as you see, this is my belief, which may be wrong, but is that always has been. But I think we have a very important opinion to say, in question of how to validate may or may not be a therapy.

***** and I'm good with the blog that has been interrupted by a call from a colleague at the "pebl" (= people) and a pair of "Copisa" next to my house ..-**** *


Anyway, I lost the thread, but I think the above summarizes the objetivos.Mañana we will catch up on some basic facts before going to the radio.

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already note that the summer was over. Now it is resuming the school year, the routines of a time teaching hours, etc, etc. Well, a week ago to resume the gym. Yeah, right, to do some sport they say it is very healthy. Well, the resume, and will, as noted. Complete with a stiffness that I have not had in a year. And that's why?. He did not exercise for a month and a half, and of course, the body gets used to the "good", to do nothing, the muscles get a little "vaguetes." And what has this to do with stuttering?

I think with the stuttering or rather with the practice of therapy is the same. You have to be more or less constant in doing various exercises to improve your speech, and if you leave it for a while, then you realize that the situations where you felt safe or stutter has taste and without effort, now you do not feel safe stutter at ease and effort (trying to leave the lock).

So, for personal improvement (Since the improve your speech and feel comfortable with yourself even stuttering is a very important personal improvement, decreasing anxiety and fear) must be at the bottom of the canyon and find time to continue with therapy.

On the other hand, when you do not do therapy, you get into situations in order to make it perfect, and of course, if one strikes out, then you feel bad, but when doing therapy, do not feel too bad, because what fit in as a way to investigate what has happened and later at home improvement.

Therefore, I believe that to be consistent and take the therapy as something has to like going to the gym, then be very beneficial for personal improvement.

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few weeks ago, I bought the magazine Psychologies for some fun in the idle time when you're away from home. And I found an article that caught my attention, "I can not keep my good intentions."

I have often seen as some stuttering start therapy and after a while they give up. But why did you started?. Evidently that had started in order to improve their speech, and hence their quality of life, but for one reason or another, withdrew.

Now, well, what the article tells us not to give up to continue or start therapy?

I will transcribe some of key phrases I've seen.

"... the most common cause is simply not the lack of will, lack of habit to strive for anything and finish it successfully."

"Choice means having a clear goal, the steps to follow to achieve this, the assumption of the costs involved in starting up, the realistic consideration of advantages and disadvantages and, of course, have the means necessary to start changing in the desired direction. But it also might lack confidence in yourself, that despite having made a detailed analysis, consider the last time we will not to be able, we will not have the force of will. "

" To meet the expectations have to go through a series of phases that must be met. There are times without reaching the first, we want to achieve what we want, but not being on the point that we should be, the expectation is unrealistic and we are unable to comply. Then we try. "

I think for a person who has trouble following a therapy or start, the start should then, with little work. Spending a little time to therapy. So in this way, a small intruduce change in their daily lives, which is to improve their speech. Then, over time, could be increasing their time. Why are increasing iria? if it is progressing in therapy, the stutterer will be strengthened and their motivation will increase, thus, be more willing to invest more time.

Next, the article points out some points of what to do to not give up:

- Why I want to change?. Detailing the most of our objectives. And it is that motivation is internal to the individual and consistent with their values.


- Be realistic. Presenting the objectives one by one and not all at once. Do not be carried away.


- Have clear objectives. Knowing what to do and how.


- Respect your weak moments. There will always be moments of weakness, of reluctance, of abandonment. This is normal, changes occur gradually. We should allow these moments of weakness but of course taking the objective.

I think you can change, achieve goals, says the article, but Curran. The changes do not come alone. Nobody will come to you and put you in your hand the goals you want. Get them each and is in his hand.

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Stuttering in Budapest I am writing now from the Captain Hostel in Budapest.
3 years ago I wrote a post about my tartamdudez on vacation abroad, in this case was Norway. The resusmen the post was as follows:

Although I think I left something, I think in short-Advance
a negative reaction from the listener,
- will interrupt me for my bad English,
- thus, I have their 'approval'
- this will make my confidence in my speech decreases,
- then increased my stuttering, which,
- tendre negative reaction listener.

Now what is the situation?. Well, good question, let's see if well dispersed.
-Advance a reaction negative listener
I think now, I do not anticipate the negative reaction of the listener, but what remains to me is that advance the listener and / or I want a quick response to my speech. Thus, I still improve in no hurry to talk.
- will interrupt me for my bad English,
The fact that this feeling I have not, and if the need is minimal.
- thus, I have their 'approval'
increasingly less important. That is, the belief system is going to "should have his approval" to "I wish I had his approval ...", but it is not an obligation.
- this will make my confidence in my speech decreases,
Every time I have more confidence in my speech, and above all confidence that any lock can do well, but hey, we are gaining confidence as we have done things that before seemed impossible.
- will have the negative reaction of the listener.
is something that is not always true. Each listener, each person is different and their reaction and therefore also different.

In short, I think something has been improved from Norway. What good is it? yes, very good, but it has been a lot of dirty work behind and therefore do things that seemed difficult and hard, but we have done that we realized it was beneficial for us that we were going to feel better. Is it worth the penalty? for me, yeah, well, pretty much. Being on vacation and be relaxed and calm .... priceless, for other things ... ...;-)
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Happiness (I)

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weeks, and occasionally for about 4 years (since I saw a coworker reading a book about happiness) ask me things about happiness. For example, the stammering and stuttering when you do not mind, is it happy?. Probably yes, that was removed a burden, a burden for achieving their life goals, but people do not stutter, it also has problems that make it is also difficult to be more happy. So if we are also normal people who stutter, when the stuttering is not a problem, we are also facing the same challenges faced by ordinary people to be more happy. So why not dig a little like getting a little more happiness?

The other day I saw a documentary by Eduardo Punset, "The Pursuit of Happiness." Which I collected some notes on happiness

- the happiest people have more ability to cope.
- The one who is trained to be happy
- The person who has a sense of life beyond oneself.
- Martin Seligman breaks happiness:
* The Life of Pleasure: laughter, humor, ...
* The Committed Life: love, work, kids, leisure, friends, ...
* Meaning of Life: to serve something greater than you.
- Social relations boost happiness.
- Somehow happiness depends on genetics but also due to the plasticity of the brain, I can learn to be happy.
- Positive emotion. Being grateful.
-Do something philanthropic.



are in order ... few notes for a documentary, but I found the most important things, but I sure miss one. Get the

life and enjoy!

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Phone (IX)-

Phone (IX)-Experiences

Who said that a stutterer I can not seduce or lure a girl over the phone?. Well, as I am that far exceeds the "high", but yes. I tell you.

In my "dirty work" to do therapy at home and phone calls to restaurants, shops, hotels, sale of flats, .. whatever, I've been in very good feeling with two girls.

One of them I simulated I already knew, and as she did not understand, I'm with, "if we met in .... where you said to me ...". Of course, here the girl confirmed that I have mistaken, but changed the subject, and the question if you are working, we chat a bit more, but if I go again, is to establish a bond. Could have stayed with her? I think yes. So, I decided to apologize and hang up. Could have continued, because the girl was comfortable talking to me. And me? somewhat stunned, but quiet. "Stuttering? of course! I stuttered. A if, I wonder, what makes this girl talking on the phone when a stutterer?, I believe that security, and to show that you do not mind stuttering.

What about the other girl? was a hotel. I called to ask a room, and I said that it would consult with friends, but if he gave me permission to tell my friends who had a very pleasant voice. He laughed a bit and thanked me. And when we fired, told me: "I hope your call ...". At 3 hours, call again. Sets, and say that unfortunately we will not go because friends want to go somewhere else, "more than I'm sorry" I answered. He asked me where he was, we talked a bit and stayed there all. Could have asked for your email or phone or call back? I think yes.

A if that I can be seduced by phone. But this comes at a price work and work stuttering. This does not give it away, I have to work you and only you.

I'm sorry for the inconvenience to restaurants, shops, etc. but I have to follow me Curran. This is like the gym, you have to keep taking the form. Keep

trainning ....

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few days ago and I returned from my vacation. As I wrote in my previous post, I was in China, and of course, had to happen to see the Shaolin monks. And not by references in other post , but also because it is a tourist attraction.

What I saw?. Then I saw that they were people of flesh and blood and have the skills they have achieved through working, playing and training intensively. And here in his temple, they spend 24 hours a day to achieve those skills. A few will cost more and others less, some more and others need to train more, but the goal is very clear.

On the other hand, what about therapy?. The therapy requires dirty work, spend time to improve your speech, to improve your wellbeing, improve your security, and this often only we to sacrifice for a short period of time. I guess, extrapolating a lot, we should to build our house "our temple", and assigned a fixed timetable for self-therapy. Because without practice, without training, targets are elusive.

what I'm With this visit, the feeling is that with hard work, discipline, training and practice, I can improve it while others marvel at the skills acquired in this case, control stuttering.

Here I leave a picture I did for them, and this photo was thanks to someone who gave me a little push, and that gave me the cut (as you see, I need even more desensitization ... ;-) ) The approach and ask for a photo. From here, thank you, because without it, it would be possible today to hang this picture. Thanks Bel.

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Photography (IV)

On Friday I went again to take photos street in Madrid. This time a little more seriously, that is, exposing more people to take pictures I want. But it was fine, because in this way is an iterative process, ie, gradually loses the fear of interacting with people, you expose yourself to say something about taking a picture, etc, ... what was said gradually be losing their fear. And how was?, well, then I think it was very interesting, if that, hold on, that are curves ...;-).

leave the car in the parking lot, and I go to the Puerta del Sol, here I see that optics is a ton of lights, cameras, etc.. Without much thought, I approached a worker and asked if this is why they were shooting a scene, I replied that no, it's an ad Beckman glasses. Then, I am there. A boy, seeing me with the camera, begins a conversation with me. Asked if Beckham comes or not, if resting up after that if I am professional, I tell him what I do. So a while until it leaves Beckham, just got a picture back, then the boy goes after him. I stay there because I wanted to get a closeup of a girl who was sitting model. A time you see a French girl and asks me if I got a picture of him. The only answer back. Then, continue the convesación on the announcement, that part of France was, if tomorrow will follow the announcement, etc. And entertain the model realizes my presence. I'm a little nervous in case I will say something, if you ask a worker, and tells me I can, but without flash. So I begin to see the first plane of the model. He notices the camera, but nothing happens.

To start in the first 30 minutes, not bad, right?. Photos, Beckham, boy, girl French, and two operators.

I go to the Plaza Mayor, where I see a painting. I wonder if I can make some pictures, and tells me he does not. So only the canvas and shot his hand. After a while, I get tired and go to Preciados Street. There I see a girl smoking sentanda. He assumed he was resting and working in a store. I get next to 4 meters. I take a picture with her smoking in profile, but not notice much. What do I do?. I take a picture to people, and I decide then. I approach her and ask if I can remove a photo because I thought it was interesting a picture with all the people walking and resting her smoking. He tells me yes, it does not matter. I make a few. The very nice girl. Here is an example of how photography can also be used to interact with other people who would otherwise be more difficult. With all this, with all that I have, you feel you can talk to everyone. Whereupon, I head back to the area of \u200b\u200bthe ad. I see the model. So I decide to ask her directly if I can remove a picture of first plano.En a chance that this single, and rises to leave, and then I approached her (she was a little nervous, but it is exciting to feel the adrenaline -)) and wonder what the picture tells me: "Why?", "To me," "No, no ..".

So these are the interactions I had at a photo shoot. I think as I said in another post, I think it is very useful to lose their fear of speaking with other people, improve social skills and lose a bit of shame that this many people looking at you suspiciously, as go with the camera hanging.

as usual I like to hang a picture, I think this time the girl will be resting, as it was this moment where I climbed over the fear, shame in talking with her than with the model. Apart from that I felt more interaction, the possibilities offered by photography and apart from that I fell very well, and he gave me his consentimiendo explicit.

In short, I think with this experience street photography can be a useful tool for desensitization, to gain social skills and decrease the shame "will think."

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Mobile Phone (VIII)-Experiences Past

This morning it took me ten phone calls. What cost me? well, do a pull-out in a vowel. What estasba was trying to simulate a lock on "Hello" and then do a pull-out. Detail would take the phone and call anywhere, a restaurant, customer service office, hotel, shop, etc ... and when you unhook it, simulating a pseudo-stuttering "Hello" and then here perform pull-out. Here, I solved the pull-out as follows. Priemero, reduce tension in the glottis, second, begin to make a guttural sound to vibrate the vocal cords, and third, move toward the sound / o /, and finally say "Hello."






Well, that seems so simple, it took me 10 calls, and is, in the first calls, could not then the following, could a little, but back to my normal practices to close the glottis with the vocal strength. But in the tenth call I conseguido.Pero too, apart from the calls, which I have also been simulated and practice at home. That is, real flames make 3, then 5 min practice alone, then call back after 5 minutes alone to practice the pull-out, then call again ... anyway ... that the work, training , what many of us are hard to do, so, doing this we have to be fun and we like, but in the end, we left. So in the end there is no record of the therapies.

I think what has cost me more was the hearer across the phone, hear me make a guttural sound of the pull-out itself was doing. So here, again, the listener is involved in desensitization. When this desensitization is less, the better the learning. Previous Post

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Navigating a bit by "Immerse yourself" I found the following letter of Amador in APET (Association for the Prevention, Assessment and Treatment). Who is Amador?. Well, some have commented that I am a great example, well, Amador was a great example to me of his knowledge of stuttering. I had the pleasure and luck to meet him. Today he does not know much, but from here I send you a hug.



Also, you can see that there are other items in APET. Some of them refer to Ordonez therapy. Well, these writings I will not say anything because I have everything said at the forums, but I can not resist saying that following the Van Riper therapy does not require sophisticated equipment nor the words of Emilio (which I also know .) The sentences to which I refer are:



"Van Riper seeks to stop stuttering cause anxiety in the person who stutters. Try this goal through complex environments , seriously studied and applied in clinic. "



" Probably almost invariably achieve their goals, so on having an important team of therapists, thoroughly prepared for this specific job in a sufficiently funded clinical setting. "



This last paragraph I find it a bit overdone. Nor are we going to go into outer space to do the therapy, right?. With so if I'm agreement is to understand Van Riper therapy for one who knows nothing about stuttering it is more effort to understand the Van Riper than Ordonez. But once you understand it, YOU CAN APPLY YOURSELF no therapist if you want. The same at the beginning it is advisable to go to a therapist or psychologist if you are in the well, but for a short time, leave well enough (2 months?). Whereupon, or equipment, or therapists, and subsidies (that is, until you can earn some money ...).



remember that cost me quite understand, as I read English and my English is somewhat loose. But every sentence, every page filled me feel ... "I can get, I'll get ....".







short the i-th exponent of Van Riper's proposal. The objective is to achieve a stuttering without muscle tension and without anxiety, ie stutterer fluid, effortlessly.



I hope you enjoy both letters. And above all, here's a link APET with literature to read about stuttering.

Briggs And Stratton Part #130232

Van Riper (I)

Past (I)


Thanks for the post. But I have the impression that I'm giving an image that I have been so long, that is, coping skills, that I seek, etc, etc ... well, given that you liked the post "Anatomy of a Stuttering " which is a recovery an email, now posting with another email that I wrote when I submit to ttm-l forum there for 2001. So, you will have a more accurate view that I have not always been so determined and so "brave" (I'm still trying to be ...), and if I've changed something, others can also. Yes, I've worked hard, but well worth.

Here you how I felt in 2001.














From: FRSS @ t. ..
Date: Tue Mar 27, 2001 10:17 a.m.
Subject: Who is chirri00? (Presentation)


Hello everyone

I imagine some of you may have wondered who is the so chirri00
. Well, finally it is discovered that such chirri00
to you (although some already know, hey Victor). The chirri00
called Felix, and I'm going to stop writing in third person
.
my stuttering (and no problem) comes from small. I think I know
since I stuttered. That in speaking I have stuck. De
know something and not say, to know a very good joke
not tell it, tell a joke and mess.
it can be very chatty with the girls, to stay in the background.
I have 29 years and I am Mr. Tech in Computer Science (UPM). And I've been working
3 years approx. Vimo and Alcalá de Henares, Madrid (Spain)
seems that everyone who stutter and we are on the list,
're here because we have undergone, or continue to follow a therapy or to get more fluent speech. But before seeking therapy,
I imagine there will come a point where we read: "To
here we come." "Let's take the bull by the horns"
"This can not continue like this (in my case).
about 6 months ago I decided to follow a therapy that
and not take it anymore. Reasons: Work and had also been a continuing tension
, analyzing every word and deed that came out of others.
was in tension whenever quieria say something. And what I said, and were a little critical
, or a look or gesture that was considered negative
me, affected me and affected me a lot. Since I am
not approved by that person. And of course, I am not approved by
my stuttering. And this brings me to a distance when I meet a person
. If you know a person, and after a few
meetings, you know that I stutter. If these meetings I see these "gestures" I start to retract a distance. This does not mean that these gestures are
for me, but I think so. For example, if you're
this person at the bus stop and
not look me in the eyes, they automatically think
not talk to me, and really attentive to the arrival of the bus. I
seems that we ourselves perform these acts and we do not
account. But in the case of not wanting to distance myself from that
person in every meeting I get Nervis, tense, it seems
I 'clouded' the mind and say some stupid things that maybe I had
silent. No I know if I will ever happened, that after a certain time
have met a group of people (coworkers
, class, the 'military'...), me retract a little, and I
much conviction about others, but I would not let me have that confidence with me
with others. Although after a while, I now take
confidence, and are surprised at what I say, do or know.
But mostly I conduct himself, that is, a behavior
not disturb others, but not opinions. For example, in working
two comrades who take a while to get out of
his job to go to eat, and they have que
esperar.Pues
soy incapaz de decirles, que no les esperamos más si no están a la
hora.
Ya que se pueden molestar conmigo. Y no ser aceptados ya por ellos. Y eso, asi vez, me molesta, ya que demuestra un falta de personalidad
tremenda. O que me pidan hacer algo, no saber negarme, aún teniendo
un buena razón. ¿A que tengo el auto-estima en los números naturales
negativos?
Una situación que me molesta bastante, es cuando me atasco
estando
tenso. Donde salir del atasco se convierte, en darse contra un muro,
y
al romper ese muro, te encuentras otro más duro. Y al final en vez
para expresar mi idea, ir del punto A al punto D,(pasando
by B and C).
I went from point A to U, and that from A to B was complicated, and U to
M to return to B and from B to J, J and W, and W to C, and C finally
D. If these points were on one page, would
a horrible scrawl instead of a drawing. And when I am calm,
going from A to D, for A to B, B to C and from C to D, although in some
ocuasiones have to 'lift' the pen of the blade. And this bothers me less or not
not even bother me, because in the end I said what I meant
, and without being tense and emotional at no charge

though I've blocked. But in the case of scribble over
not say what I want, I lock, and the listener is left with a
face of astonishment, anxiety, embarrassment, which also
bothers me and bothers me more. Ever seen anyone to hang?
do you think I'm a fool? and if true, after a while
believe the guy above my asshole, and I'll clear
feeling of inferiority.
probably say I'm missing something, but in general terms,
I think what I want first, before increasing my fluency,
is that inner peace, where the listener a gesture not thomas
into account, and if thomas into account, is for informational purposes, not
me emotionally charged. And where the comments of others are also critical
and reprehensible, and so did not feel that anguish
decirlo.Y to hear things about me, me
not charge me emotionally. And where
talking to someone that I care, no amounts frozen. And where
able to please this person who never indulge, when it is complacent
everyone, myself, yourself.
This is hard, is 29 years with this attitude, and I think
spend another 29 with it. Has begun to decline.

Greetings.